Monday, April 17, 2006

Another Question:

I would add another question to Matt's list pertaining to King James Onlyism: is it wise or profitable for a pastor who is basically King James Preferred to leave the issue unaddressed so as to avoid the controversy entirely? This would be the situation that some hopefuls would attribute to post-Hyles FBCH, yet I find it to be misleading. The absence of fringe-KJVO-rhetoric does not necessarily place a church in the balanced category. In other words, the absence of Al Lacey on the Pastors' School agenda does not negate the influence that he has had on Hammond in the past. If my memory serves me correctly, Gail Riplinger was granted an honorary doctorate by Jack Hyles at a past Pastors' School. If FBCH is currently KJVP, should not these things be addressed publicly?

More thoughts to consider: does HAC promote Biblical thinking on this subject or just opt to throw fuel on the flames of ignorance? Do they encourage or enjoy fellowship with any churches or institutions who take the historic position of Biblical inerrancy in the original writings? I would be utterly shocked if I discovered that their campus bookstore offered any volumes to provoke thought regarding this current controversy. I would think it wise to offer the book From the Mind of God to the Mind of Man if for nothing else to provoke independent thinking on the part of the impressionable preacher boy.

Just some thoughts...



BeckyJoie said...
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Chelle Y. said...
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Mike Y said...

Josh, I believe the thing you and others have hit upon is that KJVO stance is irrational. If the stance and the supporters are irrational, how can you expect there to be a rational reaction to KJVP? If they have in fact gone such a route, "coming out" could lead to mass chaos and to further criticism from the IFB pastors wishing to succeed Hyles as the leader of the movement. Can you imagine Tom Neil catching wind of it?

With respect to independent thinking on the subject, I would say no. Even if they did promote it, there's so little understanding of textual criticism vs. higher criticism that I don't think they'd navigate those waters very well.

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but a little understanding of Greek will go a long way. It used to be that proper hermeneutics was based on the historical/grammatical approach. Well, I'm sure you can get many to agree to that approach. If you can then show them where the grammar in the Greek text differs from the English interpretation, you may get them to open their minds on the notion of using tools. This should be very supportive of KJVP approach. I took this approach for the past couple of years. It wasn't until we started attending a church, which used the NASB that I had to vary my usage further. Quite frankly, I do like the NASB better as a more literal interpretation than KJV. But I cannot rely on it either.

What's ironic about the question asked is don't they teach a Greek class? I know Crown, West Coast and Golden State do. But they usually teach that it's no longer necessary due to the reliance on concordances.


Chelle Y. said...

Hey, Matthew, did you marry a Boyd girl? For some reason, I keep thinking you married the youngest daughter. I was pretty good friends with Dawn when I was in college.

I know that has nothing to do with today's topic. :o)

Joshua R said...

Becky, Chelle, Mike,
I understand completely. My question was partially a tongue-in-cheek one. :) Personally, I would be thrilled to hear one day that by God's grace major change in philosophy and doctrine had been instituted. I also understand that may never happen.

Recently, I have been taking some classes at BJU toward a M.A. degree. When I first visited campus here, I was so refreshed that they at least promoted independent thinking theologically by what they offer in the campus bookstore. One can actually purchase a translation of Scripture other than the Authorized Version! ;) All that to say that historic fundamentalists and evangelicals can still encourage debate and Biblical thinking in their colleges and universities. The reading material available at HAC would only lead one visiting there to be further convinced of the cultic atmosphere.

As for Greek being taught there, it is odd being they promote wild KJVOnlyism. To my knowledge they still require ministerial students to take Greek---two semesters as opposed to probably 3-6 elsewhere.

Thanks for visiting B & C.

Rosey said...

Becky, your comments about HAC's trust issues are so very true. When I was there, my work scholarship job was in the library. One of my jobs each morning was to go through the newspapers, magazines, etc and white out any content that was deemed undesirable. I laugh about it now, but it's kind of scary the amount of mind control that went on. If they couldn't trust us to read a newspaper, why trust our thoughts as to Bible translations?

PT Barnum said...


I used to be very suspicious of John MacArthur as well because of all the bad pub he got in Hammond. Thankfully my mother had one of his books called, "Charismatic Chaos" and I read it during my sophomore year at HAC. I was beginning to see more and more of the deception from behind the pulpit in Hammond.

I am married to the youngest Boyd , Amber and she remembers you from when she went with her dad as they travelled with the HaC tour group to CA. She said she remembers Mike as well and that you both were very nice and friendly. You must have made quite an impression since that was so long ago.


Chelle Y. said...

I thought that you were the one who married Amber. Like I said, Dawn, Krysten Cowling, and I use to "hang out" together my last year at school. I really liked the Boyd family. Mr. Boyd was especially great when I was student teaching. I was one of those weird college students who liked teaching you "Hammond Baptist Brats!" Just kidding about the "brat" part. He had such a caring heart for the students and teachers. I am sure Mr. Weber was a nice guy, but I felt more at ease with Amber's dad. When you talk to him, please tell him that I said hello.

I always thought Amber was so cute. I can just see her now in her cheerleading uniform! Yep, I'm old! :o)

I had almost forgotten about seeing Amber during the summer. I think she was there when my parents had the group at their house for dinner. My mom always loved cooking for the college students.

It's nice you had a mom who was willing to allow you to read books written by men other than Brother Hyles or his staff. To me it started seeming like I was reading the same thing over and over again. If I wanted to, I could skip reading a book, and still get an "A" on a test just by guessing at the answers (I never did that, ha-ha).

I also wanted to say that I have a son who just turned six last week. He's a real sweetie. You can always see his picture on my blog, though my blog does not have anything to do with doctrine, just about our lives. It's probably more Amber's style. :o) Please tell her hi for me.