tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post115903488246187747..comments2023-10-25T10:40:56.554-05:00Comments on bread and circuses: Circus Blogroll IIMatthew Richardshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161439482478933302006-10-21T09:04:00.000-05:002006-10-21T09:04:00.000-05:00Jeff,Glad to hear you went by to see my dad. He c...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Glad to hear you went by to see my dad. He called me and let me know that he enjoyed the fellowship. I have never been to Fairhaven except to play in soccer games, so I am definitely no expert on your church. When I was in college at HAC there was a bus driver who drove the Fairhaven bus in East Chicago who was very gracious. I have forgotten his name but he was always very friendly and went out of his way to show kindness to me. Maybe one of these times when we are up in the region I will stop by.<BR/><BR/>Bob,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your post to distance Fairhaven from FBCH. I know that they are not exactly alike--I hope that my post did not convey that I did. I was just giving the perspective of punk high schoolers while I was at Hyles High! It was probably the military-style haircuts that impressed us so--of course I already know that this is the way you like to wear your hair even today!<BR/><BR/>God bless both of you,<BR/><BR/>MatthewMatthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161411438811539342006-10-21T01:17:00.000-05:002006-10-21T01:17:00.000-05:00I need to go on record here. First off, I used to...I need to go on record here. First off, I used to bank at the 5th Third in Chesterton. I liked the bank, even though they didn't give me anything special because my birthday is 5/3!<BR/><BR/>Seriously, though, I agree with Pastor Jeff Voegtlin here that Fairhaven and First Baptist of Hammond are miles apart. I do believe Fairhaven does hold some positions and has a semblance of the feel that I believe differentiates IFBx from IFB, so I do differ with them. I also differ with IFBs to a lesser extent, however. I classify Fairhaven as IFBx with an asterisk.<BR/><BR/>But these classifications and descriptive terms and in no way mean that the people in these groups, and particularly in Fairhaven, are not sincere and Christ-Honoring people. I think they are wrong and seriously so, in some respects. Yet I praise God for the emphasis on living a Biblical Christian life and for their drive to please God in every area of their life. I thank God for the time I spent there, even though there are some things I would change if I could.<BR/><BR/>You can go to <A HREF="http://fundyreformed.wordpress.com/2006/08/25/about-this-blog-2/" REL="nofollow">this post</A> and learn more about what exactly I mean by IFBx, IFB, or IFBx* and what my take is on fundamentalism (the comments are also important to look at under that post).<BR/><BR/>Just wanted to clarify my position about Fairhaven, although it probably didn't exactly clarify things that much.<BR/><BR/>May Christ mean more to us all than labels, and while we all must endeavor to reach the place we believe is most Scriptural, let us remember the great unity we have as fellow believers in Christ. One of the things I appreciate about Bread & Circuses is that they attempt to be fair and gracious in their interactions with others. And while they strongly disagree with many things concerning FBCH, they disagree lovingly and charitably, holding out hope for many who are caught up in the whirlwind over in Hammond.<BR/><BR/>In Christ,<BR/><BR/>Bob HaytonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161314602287941482006-10-19T22:23:00.000-05:002006-10-19T22:23:00.000-05:00Wow! It's a small world. I will stop by and say "...Wow! It's a small world. I will stop by and say "Hi."<BR/><BR/>I vaguely remember someone telling me about your dad. Of course at the time I didn't know it was your dad. Just something about someone at the 5/3 bank in Chesterton.Jeff Voegtlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718288010688756299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161311931564543932006-10-19T21:38:00.000-05:002006-10-19T21:38:00.000-05:00Jeff,I almost forgot about your initial comment. ...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>I almost forgot about your initial comment. I just may take you up on the offer next time I am bumping around in the region! If you get a chance sometime, you should stop in at the Fifth Third Bank in downtown Chesterton to see my dad, Vernon Richards. He manages the bank down there in the old downtown area!Matthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161311796195905412006-10-19T21:36:00.000-05:002006-10-19T21:36:00.000-05:00Jeff,I will check out the link you posted about yo...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>I will check out the link you posted about your time at FBCH. Thanks for stopping by for a visit and sorry that we don't have anything fresh right now--stay tuned.<BR/><BR/>MatthewMatthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161273157145967252006-10-19T10:52:00.000-05:002006-10-19T10:52:00.000-05:00My brother attended Fairhaven College at one point...My brother attended Fairhaven College at one point and left after a year but I don't know much else about it. I, as an HAC student, never thought they or anyone else were as strict as HAC and as hyperfundamentalist. I do recall my brother saying they were ultra conservative though. We grew up in HAC churches. I can't say that label of ultra conservative bothers me. I've never gone to a church service there or visited the college. I'll have to ask my brother what he thought about Fairhaven.BeckyJoiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148874214990884785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161187991216452892006-10-18T11:13:00.000-05:002006-10-18T11:13:00.000-05:00I thought I would leave a link to my scattered tho...I thought I would leave a <A HREF="http://jeffvoegtlin.wordpress.com/2005/07/28/prospectus-preaching-15-minutes-of-continuous-rambling/" REL="nofollow">link</A> to my scattered thoughts concerning the time I did visit FBCH.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>OK, I'm done. I'll come back to see what anyone thinks.Jeff Voegtlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718288010688756299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1161186768046290292006-10-18T10:52:00.000-05:002006-10-18T10:52:00.000-05:00Bob Hayton spent some years under the influence of...<I>Bob Hayton spent some years under the influence of Fairhaven Baptist in Chesterton, Indiana.</I><BR/><BR/>Should I say "Thanks" for the link? I think so. I hope people will come to our site and also visit our section of <A HREF="http://www.sermonaudio.com/source_detail.asp?sourceid=fairhaven" REL="nofollow">sermon audio</A> to hear what we preach. If they do, it won't take them long to find out that we are miles apart from FBCH (and not just geographically). No, we wouldn't agree with all your current positions, but we would agree with most of what you're trying to accomplish at B&C (if I understand your purposes here).<BR/><BR/><I>I remember Fairhaven well--we used to play them in soccer while I was a student at Hyles High. As far as cultural fundies go, even the Hylesites thought that the Fairhavenites were strict! Now that ought to tell you something!</I><BR/><BR/>You know, this is a funny statement because I grew up at Fairhaven and played against your school in soccer and wrestling. I think I could have made the same statement about Hammond Baptist High School. Now that ought to tell you something!<BR/><BR/>BTW, have you ever visited Fairhaven Baptist Church for a church service? I think you would notice a significant and appreciable difference. I have been to FBCH for a church service and so I think I can make a comparison.<BR/><BR/>If you ever come back to NW Indiana, please come by for a visit. If you can come to a service that would be even better. I would like to meet you and your brother. I think we could have a cordial visit.Jeff Voegtlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718288010688756299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1159893304289308162006-10-03T11:35:00.000-05:002006-10-03T11:35:00.000-05:00Thanks for the link and the mention! I enjoy your ...Thanks for the link and the mention! I enjoy your site very much! I only wish you would post more frequently. Keep up the good work.Don Fieldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09895024815386234008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1159884888500652482006-10-03T09:14:00.001-05:002006-10-03T09:14:00.001-05:00As you know, I, too, am a former IFBXer and my lif...As you know, I, too, am a former IFBXer and my life suffered greatly because of it.In the late '80's, I attended HAC after growing up in one of it's baby churches/schools as a child. Life is so much richer now. I live a very happy, grace-filled life now and find myself growing exponentially more because of learning how to really study and dissect the Word for truth and application. Also, I learned that above all, love is the main evidence that we belong to Christ, not works, although works are the result of love. I am so glad to have met other former IFBXers who are shedding light on darkness of the false teaching and practices of IFBXdom. You've listed most of my daily reading for blogs, LOL. I am sure that none of us are perfect in our interpretations of everything but at least we are evaluating what we hear and read by the Berean standard, searching the Scripture to see if the things are so. I am so happy to find others who have survived without throwing the baby(faith in Christ) out with the bathwater (extremist and false religion). I'm glad to be a part of the network of people who want to help others grow in the Lord and knowledge of the Word. Thank you all for keeping on with the good work.BeckyJoiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148874214990884785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1159884850763280362006-10-03T09:14:00.000-05:002006-10-03T09:14:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.BeckyJoiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14148874214990884785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1159843938614403112006-10-02T21:52:00.000-05:002006-10-02T21:52:00.000-05:00Thanks for the link!I likewise appreciate what you...Thanks for the link!<BR/><BR/>I likewise appreciate what you guys are doing to bring light to those within this movement.<BR/><BR/>God bless you all (and all your readers) richly in Christ Jesus,<BR/><BR/>Bob HaytonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com