tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post114340432164582040..comments2023-10-25T10:40:56.554-05:00Comments on bread and circuses: Pop-psychology vs. the Systematic Preaching of the WordMatthew Richardshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143587714023122332006-03-28T18:15:00.000-05:002006-03-28T18:15:00.000-05:00jayman,great to hear that you averted a huge mista...jayman,<BR/><BR/>great to hear that you averted a huge mistake like moving to the armpit of America! Just think you could be living right now in beautiful Gary or Hammond, Indiana and attending the greatest church since the First Baptist Church of Jerusalem! I am also a voracious reader of all things Piper, MacArthur, Spurgeon, etc... I would say that we all need to be careful to keep our eyes on Christ and not on even these decent men. I know what you were saying but I thought I would just state the obvious--you have to remember that I am still a recovering man-worshipper :-)<BR/><BR/>MatthewMatthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143566250350718162006-03-28T12:17:00.000-05:002006-03-28T12:17:00.000-05:00rabbi-philosopher, Yes! I agree with your sentime...<B>rabbi-philosopher</B>, Yes! I agree with your sentiments regarding therapeutic preaching and absolutely love the way you expressed it.<BR/><BR/><B>matthew</B>, I thought that must have been Josh. BTW - Hyles' trashing of MacArthur and Swindoll along with the Norman Vincent Peal's of this world was also intended to paint the former two as liberal as the latter because the teaching of the former two would be liberating to the people of Hammond if exposed to it and therefore was dangerous to Hyles.Momohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292177473341691525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143511663229494492006-03-27T21:07:00.000-05:002006-03-27T21:07:00.000-05:00Coyote,You are dead on right. Hyles flamed MacArt...Coyote,<BR/><BR/>You are dead on right. Hyles flamed MacArthur and Swindoll on a regular basis. He also made a habit of going after Bill Hybels and Norman Vincent Peale! Those didn't bother me quite so much! Hyles couldn't stand on his own two feet theologically so he would spend 30 minutes on silly personal illustrations and 15 to 30 minutes blasting someone for something he made up or blew entirely out of proportion. <BR/><BR/>Those in Hammond today are Hyles proteges and can imitate him flawlessly. They reject anything that resembles scholarship and act like they have all the answers.<BR/><BR/>BTW, thanks a million for the introduction at The Underground! The dude with the tapered head, ten-gallon hat, and double-breasted suit is definitely Joshua!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Matthew RichardsMatthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143511265516844252006-03-27T21:01:00.000-05:002006-03-27T21:01:00.000-05:00Rabbi-philosopher:I agree with your diagnosis, doc...Rabbi-philosopher:<BR/><BR/>I agree with your diagnosis, doctor! Pop-psychology is NOT the kind of preaching that honors and glorifies God. Typically this is referred to as "helping the people in a practical way". Hyles used to say that you needed to diagnose the illness by counseling and then go to the Bible for a topic that fits the "problem" that the majority of the people were struggling with. Seems like we ought to be more concerned with sound exegesis--I almost forgot that this will open people's eyes to the errors being expounded--wouldn't be in their best interest to do that!<BR/><BR/>Matthew RichardsMatthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143510160741494972006-03-27T20:42:00.000-05:002006-03-27T20:42:00.000-05:00Matt, I'm actually a bonafide, honest to John, Ph....Matt, I'm actually a bonafide, honest to John, Ph.D. type psychologist; licensed and board approved in the state where I reside. ( Yes I know I'm probably the devil incarnate and I have some great stories but I digress.)<BR/><BR/>I DESPISE "therapeutic preaching." I had several cautious conversations with our recent pastor encouraging him to be less "therapeutic" and more about the revelation of God.<BR/><BR/>Therapeutic preaching, to me, is all about US. Five Ways to Have a More Effective Bus Ministry. Three Keys to a better Marriage. How to make your Sunday School Class come alive.<BR/><BR/>PUHLEESE! Can we now please abandon therapeutic preaching and begin to stick to the Word of God - which indeed touches on human life and existence but is really ALL ABOUT HIM, not about me.<BR/><BR/>"To Hell" with therapeutic preaching; literally.S.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09746381491495106590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143478487397629322006-03-27T11:54:00.000-05:002006-03-27T11:54:00.000-05:00Expository preaching will kill a soul winning chur...Expository preaching will kill a soul winning church. Don't you know that?<BR/><BR/>Scary, isn't it?<BR/><BR/>I would guess there were several reasons why Hyles was against expository preaching.<BR/><BR/><B>(1)</B> None of the great revivalists whom Hyles idolized utilized this methodology. Keep in mind that what Hyles did was innovative - he took the sawdust trail-style evangelism of the camp-meetings and brought it into the auditorium. Church was no longer worship - it was weekly revival meetings. Expository preaching doesn't fit that mould.<BR/><BR/><B>(2)</B> It wasn't Hyles's idea. Laugh if you want to, but MacArthur and Swindoll and those "California preachers" brought it back into style and Hyles was jealous of them. So he defended "old-fashioned preaching" (I was there at that Pastor's School where he made a big deal of it in 1986) against these modern "teaching ministries" from California. We were led to believe that the style embodied by MacArthur, Swindoll and others of actually teaching the word was "an attack on old-fashioned preaching" and an abandonment of the ancient landmarks. He referenced those California preachers several times. If you'll remember, it was about this same time that the slanderous and erroneous attacks against MacArthur as a "blood-denier" really picked up steam in the Sword circles of fundyism.<BR/><BR/><B>(3)</B> Jealousy. See point two.<BR/><BR/><B>(4)</B> Expositional preaching really would "destroy a soul winning church" because expositional preaching would expose these so-called soul winning churches for the shams that they are and call on them to repentance.<BR/><BR/>That's probably not exhaustive, but should be good to get the discussion ball rolling. <BR/><BR/>I'm going to give you guys and introduction at the <A HREF="http://tbcunderground.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Underground.</A> Look for it today.Momohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04292177473341691525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24687448.post-1143405595956451052006-03-26T15:39:00.000-05:002006-03-26T15:39:00.000-05:00excellent thoughts my brother! I don't pretend to...excellent thoughts my brother! I don't pretend to know the motive for the woeful lack of sound expository preaching at FBCH, but here are a few thoughts. It could be simply a reflection of what they have been taught is "good preachin'". They love to point to Ezekiel and the "cry aloud and spare not" phrase. It also could simply be that the training at HAC that 99% of these preachers received lends itself to rank eisegesis instead of sound exegesis. I would love to hear some other perspectives on this issue.<BR/><BR/>MCRMatthew Richardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11081538726242476449noreply@blogger.com